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02 December 1998

TRANSCRIPT: COHEN AND LLOREDA ON U.S.-COLOMBIA AGREEMENT

(Bilateral working group to help military cooperation)  (3260)



CARTAGENA, Colombia -- The defense ministers of the United States and
Colombia signed an agreement December 1 that formalizes and
strengthens military cooperation between the two countries in the
fight against illegal drug trafficking.


"This instrument will yield the creation of an agenda, and this
agenda, among other things, includes issues such as human rights, and
cooperation in areas such as training and assistance, which is very
important in drug control," Colombian Defense Minister Rodrigo Lloreda
said during a joint press conference with U.S. Defense Secretary
William Cohen.


The agreement -- which was reached during Colombian President Andres
Pastrana's recent visit to Washington -- will create a bilateral
working group on military cooperation and "is an important step
forward," Cohen said.


"It will in fact allow us to engage in military exchanges. It will
allow us to set up conferences whereby we can help in promoting the
modernization of the Colombian military to restructure it ... to focus
upon its mobility, its sustainability, its intelligence capabilities,
its command and control," he added.


Both Cohen and Lloreda stressed that U.S. military assistance to
Colombia is related to the fight against drug trafficking -- and not
to the Colombian government's struggle against armed insurgent groups.


"Colombia has always considered this an internal conflict within our
borders, and therefore, we need to address it with our own resources,"
Lloreda said. "The assistance we have requested of the United States
has been geared to help in our efforts to combat drug trafficking. The
help we will receive now is geared to helping the national police of
Colombia and the special army units that will be created to fight
hand-in-hand with the police of Colombia in counter-narcotics efforts
-- that is, to fight against drug traffickers and to eradicate illicit
crops."


Following is a transcript of their press conference:



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PRESS CONFERENCE

SECRETARY OF DEFENSE WILLIAM COHEN

COLOMBIAN DEFENSE MINISTER RODRIGO LLOREDA

Following their bilateral meeting

Cartagena, Colombia, Dec. 1, 1998



LLOREDA OPENING REMARKS: We would like in this press conference to
report to international public opinion as well as public opinion in
Colombia and the United States that we have signed a very simple
agreement whereby we have created a bilateral working group in order
to handle issues of military cooperation between the United States and
Colombia. What this document does is to formalize a decades-old
relationship between the United States and Colombia, but we think that
it's important at this time to strengthen our cooperation. Just like
other bilateral commissions have been created between our two
countries to deal with issues of trade, financial matters and other
areas of cooperation, we thought that this area was very important for
us to work on. This instrument will yield the creation of an agenda,
and this agenda, among other things, includes issues such as human
rights, and cooperation in areas such as training and assistance,
which is very important in drug control.


We will develop a project, although it is not mentioned in this
document, to create a special army unit which will support the police
of Colombia in counter-narcotics operations. So, the document provides
for assistance in this particular field but there are other areas of
cooperation of course to be contemplated. We are highly pleased with
one of the results of the visit of President Pastrana to Washington
last month -- in October -- which is the signing of this agreement.
Secretary Cohen was not in Washington when President Pastrana visited
President Clinton and so we wanted to wait until he came to Colombia
to sign this agreement. Therefore we reaffirm the will to cooperate,
to enhance the security of the hemisphere, and to strengthen even more
our bilateral relations.


COHEN OPENING REMARKS: Mr. Minister: You have covered everything I had
on this paper so let me say that it has truly been a pleasure for me
to be here at this conference and once again to express my deep
appreciation for the gracious hospitality on the part of the Colombian
people. The minister has been most generous with his time in chairing
these meetings, dedicating every moment of the past one-and-a-half
days -- it will be almost two-and-a-half days to the completion of
this ministerial -- and I want to express my sincere appreciation for
your commitment not only to the ministerial but your commitment to the
goals that have been outlined in brief terms in the establishment of
this new bilateral working group. It does in fact reaffirm our strong
relationship. We will build upon it to make it stronger in the future,
and I look forward to working with you and President Pastrana in this
effort.


EMCEE: We now have time for seven questions, two questions by members
of the international press corps, a question by the official U.S.
press that came with you on the plane, and there are two questions by
reporters from Bogota and two from Cartagena. First we will begin with
the reporter of the Spanish news agency EFE and then we will have the
reporter from Agence France Presse.


ANTONIO MARTINEZ, EFE: If, god forbid, the peace process were to fail
in Colombia, would Colombia request military assistance, and up to
what point would the United States provide military assistance to
help?


LLOREDA: I hope that the peace process will not fail, that's first.
But secondly, Colombia has always considered this an internal conflict
within our borders, and therefore, we need to address it with our own
resources. The assistance we have requested of the United States has
been geared to help in our efforts to combat drug trafficking. The
help we will receive now is geared to helping the national police of
Colombia and the special army units that will be created to fight
hand-in-hand with the police of Colombia in counter-narcotics efforts,
that is to fight against drug traffickers and to eradicate illicit
crops.


COHEN: I concur exactly with what the minister has said.



JOSE PUERTAS, AFP: This question is addressed to Secretary Cohen. The
United States and other developed countries have demanded that
Colombia and other drug-producing countries deploy major efforts to
counter the production and shipment of drugs to markets in developed
countries. Chemical precursors from the United States and
industrialized nations are used for the manufacturing of drugs, while
hundreds, thousands of people are killed with weapons that come from
industrialized countries in Europe and the United States. Don't you
think that it is high time that the United States take action to
control trafficking of weapons and illegal precursor chemicals?


COHEN: Well, first of all, with respect to precursor chemicals, one of
the difficulties in identifying these chemicals is that they are
usually for dual-use purposes. They can be used for peaceful purposes
as well as making dangerous drugs or chemical types of weapons. It is
an issue which has been raised during the course of our discussions --
chemical precursors that only feed the illegal drug industry in the
region. We will try to work with all countries in the hemisphere to
see if we can have a better regime of control, and to be sure that
whatever chemicals come into the country are used for proper legal
purposes only.


Dealing with illegal weapons coming into the country is something that
the OAS is serious about trying to deal (with). We think that all
countries are concerned about the shipment of illegal weapons coming
into their countries. Indeed, the United States has concerns as well
with various types of assault weaponry that comes into our country
illegally. So I think all countries have to be concerned about the
illegal shipment of weapons that are going into the hands of drug
cartels. We are going to work with our neighbors to see if we can have
better means of controlling that.


JARED KOLTLER, AP: This is a question for both Minister Lloreda and
Secretary Cohen. I think that it's clear that the Colombian military
is in a very serious situation. I don't know if it's critical, but
it's a very serious situation with respect to the armed conflict.
General Wilhelm this morning talked to us about that, and he said he
saw that there were some improvements of late. But then he ticked off
a long list of deficiencies which he has mentioned before which really
need to be addressed in order to fight the rebels. Given the context
in Colombia, in a way it seems to me that the agreement that's being
reached today is very modest. It's a step, to be sure, but it seems
very modest and I wonder if both Secretary Cohen and Defense Minister
Lloreda could comment, on the one hand, whether Colombia is interested
in getting more from the U.S., given the challenge it faces, and
whether on the U.S. (side) there is an interest in trying to do more,
and if so, why is it not possible to start to do more?


LLOREDA: The armed forces of Colombia are involved in the process of
modernization and restructuring its institution, the results of which
have not been completed. This effort has begun with this
adminsitration. We're focusing on three areas: technical, intelligence
and improving our operations by increasing the professionalism of our
combat units in problem areas and also increasing mobility. We hope to
be able to improve the technical efforts by increasing the
professionalism of our combat units in problem areas and also
increasing mobility. We hope to able to improve the technical efforts
by increasing the number of personnel by 15,000 soldiers who will be
sent to conflict areas. We also will have 126 new companies, and we
will strengthen our battalions. We also aim to increase our mobility
by helicopters. The U.S. cooperation is in the area of
counter-narcotics, and to the extent that this cooperation increases,
the army will be more effective in helping the police in efforts of
eradication, crop substitution, and in going after the small cartels
that we have in Colombia. So to the extent that we are effective in
dealing with the drug traffickers we will be effective in dealing with
the insurgents because they derive support from drug traffickers. So,
although the United States is not directly supporting Colombia in this
effort, one of its secondary effects is that insurgency in Colombia
will be undermined. Now in the framework of all of this we are of
course dealing with the insurgency by a peace process. We have not
signed a cease fire as of yet, and therefore we must act to protect
the civilian population of Colombia.


COHEN: One of the reasons I yielded to the minister to answer first
was because he usually gives a very comprehensive and complete answer,
making comments from me almost unnecessary. But let me indicate that
the bilateral working group is an important step forward. It will in
fact allow us to engage in military exchanges. It will allow us to set
up conferences whereby we can help in promoting the modernization of
the Colombian military to restructure it, as the minister has said, to
focus upon its mobility, its sustainability, its intelligence
capabilities, its command and control. That is all part of the
educational exchanges that can and will occur through this bilateral
working group. We have the expanded IMET program which will be
available. We will continue to stress the need for respect for human
rights as the military goes through its modernizing process. All of
this I think is going to be very helpful to the overall benefit of the
Colombian people. You also have the Center for Hemispheric Studies
which was set up as the result of the defense ministerials and has
been in operation for about two years now. As a result of that
center's activities, we have seen roughly 150 leaders from the
hemisphere graduate from the center, helping all of the region to look
into the 21st century. There's some hope for optimism.


While the bilateral working group document's terms of reference may be
characterized as being modest, they are nonetheless a very positive
step and movement forward.


Q: What specific areas of assistance does the agreement cover for the
armed forces of Colombia in terms of equipment and training programs
and how will this be useful in Colombia?


COHEN: The agreement does not spell out specifically what is included.
The purpose of the bilateral working group is to identify what needs
have to be met, what requirements the Colombian military units that
are dedicated to dealing with narcotrafficking are going to be
requesting. So the agreement is a general statement of purpose, and
the function of the steering group is to meet twice year and to have
meetings in Washington and in Bogota or another site in Colombia, to
flesh out the details of what requirements the Colombian military will
have in this respect. But it would again involve equipment, technical
assistance and the type of informational intelligence that in fact
(can) be shared in order to combat the illegal trafficking of drugs.


LLOREDA: I think that this time the secretary has beat me and has
given a very informative answer and i fully support what he has just
said.


(Radionet and Caracol journalists are introduced)



COHEN: are you sure that there only seven questions?



TRANSLATOR: This will be number five.



Q: Good afternoon, Secretary Cohen. This question is for you. What
assessment does the United States have of the area of Colombia that is
called the zone of withdrawal (despeje) where the government has begun
a dialogue with the FARC group? Does the United States still consider
this group in particular and other guerrilla groups as terrorists, and
do they still pose a threat to the hemisphere as a whole?


COHEN: Let me say that we applaud the initiatives of President
Pastrana. We think that he is providing Colombia the type of
leadership that it needs. We applaud his efforts to try to resolve
conflict. We look upon this effort on his part as a very bold move,
and he will make a judgment at the end of a period of time as to
whether or not his initiative is going to be responded to in a
positive fashion. At that point he will make a determination whether
such dialogue has been fruitful and productive, or whether or not it
is simply going to go unresponded to. With respect to the peace
process, that's something that's internal to Colombia, so we pass no
judgment upon it. But I think we share very strongly in the commitment
of the president to eliminate the trafficking of drugs which are
undermining and contribute to the undermining of the social fabric of
any country where it is allowed to prevail.


It is our hope that this particular area covered by the peace
agreement as such or process will not be used as a haven for promoting
greater trafficking in illegal narcotics.


Q: This question is addressed first to Secretary Cohen. Good
Afternoon. We understand that the United States has begun to monitor
the southern part of Colombia affected by this peace initiative. What
are the results so far of that monitoring? And the question addressed
to Minister Lloreda -- we understand that you said that the army is
creating a special unit to help the police in combating drug
trafficking. How many members will this unit have? When will it become
operational? What areas will it be operational in?


COHEN: My understanding is that as far as the intelligence process
underway is (concerned), it is consistent with what we normally do.
There has been no exceptional acceleration or intensification at this
point of the intelligence gathering. It's something that we do in the
normal course of events in our cooperation with the Colombian
government.


LLOREDA: With respect to the special army counter-narcotics battalion
working side-by-side with the national police, we hope that it will
have 1,000 men and that it will be operational during the first half
of 1999.


Q: This question is addressed to Secretary Cohen. We understand that
in the agenda of this defense ministerial there's an item on human
rights. Many generals in this country have been trained in the School
of the Americas of the United States in counter-insurgency strategy
and tactics, while some of these generals are now being investigated
for human rights violations. Is the United States contemplating a
change in the curriculum or content of these programs?


COHEN: If I could make it as clear as I can with respect to the School
of the Americas. The purpose of the training is not to enhance the
abuse of human rights. The purpose of the training with our military
officials is to ingrain in those students our respect for human
rights. We cannot guarantee whether those who graduate from the school
or have the benefit of being associated with the American military
leaders and training with them and receiving instruction are never
going to commit any abuse. But, if they do commit abuses we would
expect the governments of the countries that they serve to punish them
accordingly. We believe the exchange of military officials between our
countries is very positive, constructive, and overall very beneficial.
And so the School of the Americas will continue not only to help to
train military personnel in terms of their professional capabilities,
but also for a deep respect for human rights.


LLOREDA: I'd like to add that the commitment of the armed forces in
terms of full respect for human rights is total -- that international
organizations have recognized the progress we have achieved internally
and that all cases of human rights violations will be prosecuted
either by military courts or by civilian courts. Our concern is that
when we are trying to make progress, and while we make progress in
terms of compliance with human rights, paramilitary groups, groups who
act outside of the law, including the guerrillas, are blatantly
violating human rights. To wit, a massacre where a self-defense group
was responsible for blowing up a petroleum line where 80 people died
and 80 people were hurt. This incident and other incidents clearly
show that they are violating human rights. So there is this contrast
between the efforts that the police and armed forces of Colombia are
employing to improve the human rights situation and that of the
guerrillas and paramilitaries who are not. We hope that there will not
be any problems and that this situation will be entirely corrected.
There is this contrast between the action of groups that act outside
the law in violating human rights and (inaudible). But the commitment
of the armed forces and the police of Colombia is total in the area of
respect for human rights. As far as the School of the Americas is
concerned, I'd like to stay that officers that have been trained in
the School of the Americas have been trained within the same
philosophy of respect for human rights. If there have been cases of
human rights violations in the past committed by any of these
officers, those cases have been isolated instances, just like a
university will not be responsible for the crimes committed by one of
its graduates, neither is the School of the Americas or anybody
responsible.


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