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11 May 2000

Transcript: U.S. Officials Brief on Trip to Colombia

(Pickering, Romero in Cartagena May 11-12)  (4750)

The May 11-12 trip to Colombia by two senior State Department
officials "underscores our concern about the situation" in that Andean
nation, says Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Thomas
Pickering.

Pickering, briefing reporters May 10 on his trip to Cartagena with
Acting Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs
Peter Romero, said the United States has serious interests at stake in
Colombia. For instance, he said, 90 percent of the cocaine reaching
the United States originates in Colombia, and Colombia also produces a
very large share of the world's heroin.

Pickering faulted those members in the U.S. Senate who have tied up
legislation on the Clinton Administration's aid package in support of
Colombia, while praising the House of Representatives for passing the
measure "pretty much along the lines we approached."

The delay in the Senate, he said, "has hurt our efforts to help
Colombia deal with its problems," adding: "There appear to be some
members who lack understanding of the urgency of the situation and the
costs of this delay. Already we have had to curtail helicopter pilot
training, and our spraying operations against coca and poppy
cultivation are down 50 percent. This will degrade our ability to
support Colombia's counter-narcotics efforts if our Congress is not
able to act quickly to provide the adequate resources."

Pickering said the legislation for Colombia approved by the Senate
Appropriations Committee May 9 presents a "mixed record." Of the
$1,300 million in new resources requested by President Clinton to help
Colombia, the Senate committee provided $1,100 million. In addition,
he said, the committee passed a "point of order condition" making it
easier for a small minority to block further action on certain funding
in the bill, "something obviously that we believe is a serious
mistake. And our hope is that it will not influence the outcome of
this very important legislation."

Pickering said "we would, of course, prefer" that the Senate pass the
full amount that the administration has requested on its bill for
Colombia "and we would prefer" that the legislation "move as quickly
as possible." He added that "each day and week of delay" for final
passage by Congress of the Colombian aid bill "spells higher costs at
the end of the day, costs in human terms in our own country, and costs
in human terms in Colombia."

Following is the transcript of the briefing:

[Note: In the text, "billion" means "1,000 million."]

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U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Office of the Spokesman

May 10, 2000

ON-THE-RECORD BRIEFING UNDERSECRETARY OF STATE FOR POLITICAL AFFAIRS
THOMAS R. PICKERING AND ACTING ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE FOR
WESTERN HEMISPHERE AFFAIRS PETER F. ROMERO ON COLOMBIA

Washington, D.C.

MR. REEKER: Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to the State
Department briefing room.

As advertised, we are very pleased to have Under Secretary of State
Thomas Pickering, as well as Acting Assistant Secretary of State Peter
Romero, to brief you this afternoon on their upcoming trip to Colombia
where they will be discussing Plan Colombia and meeting with Colombian
officials, including President Pastrana. Both gentlemen have brief
opening remarks, and then they will be happy to take your questions.

So let me go directly to Under Secretary Pickering.

UNDER SECRETARY PICKERING:  Thank you, Phil, very much.

Peter Romero and I leave tomorrow for Cartagena, Colombia, with an
interagency group. This will be the third mission we've undertaken to
Colombia in nine months, and it underscores our concern about the
situation in that country. During the visit, we will be meeting with
officials of the Colombian government, including President Pastrana,
to discuss the details of Plan Colombia implementation.

While, as you know, Plan Colombia is a Colombian plan, we share with
the people of Colombia the goals of eradicating illegal drugs,
promoting alternative crops and economic development, fostering
respect for human rights and the rule of law, and reaching a peace
agreement in that troubled country.

The situation in Colombia is serious, and the United States has
serious interests at stake. Ninety percent of the cocaine reaching the
United States originates in Colombia, and Colombia also produces a
very large share of the world's heroin. The pernicious effects of
drugs hit our communities all over this country every day, and are
putting great strains on the fabric of Colombian society.

Last year, as we have noted many times in the past, 52,000 Americans
died -- in one way or another -- as a result of drug trade and drug
trafficking, and over $110 billion were lost to our economy. Last week
in his address to the Council of the Americas, President Clinton
called on the Congress swiftly to approve funding for the United
States aid package in support of Plan Colombia. He also said, and I
quote, "We must not stand by and allow a democracy elected by its
people, defended with great courage by people who have given their
lives, be undermined and overwhelmed by those who literally are
willing to tear it apart for their own agenda."

The delay in the Congress has hurt our efforts to help Colombia deal
with its problems. There appear to be some members who lack
understanding of the urgency of the situation and the costs of this
delay. Already, we have had to curtail helicopter pilot training, and
our spraying operations against coca and poppy cultivation are down 50
percent.

This will degrade our ability to support Colombia's counter-narcotic
efforts, if our Congress is not able to act quickly to provide the
adequate resources. We are grateful for the support of many members
who voted for the supplemental in the House of Representatives, and
particularly to Speaker Hastert for his leadership on this critical
issue.

In contrast, the Senate's slow response to this crisis contrasts with
the letter sent to the President last summer by the House and Senate
leadership, urging speedy action to deal with the Colombian situation.
Now is obviously the time for the Senate to take its own advice.

The bills, as marked up yesterday by the Senate, present a mixed
record. Of the $1.3 billion of new resources requested in the
President's supplemental, the Senate has provided $1.1 billion. We
would, of course, prefer the full request, and we would prefer that
the supplementals move as quickly as possible.

In addition, the Senate has introduced -- for the first time, I
understand, quite possibly -- a point-of-order condition for the
non-military portion of the bills that are related to the supplemental
request, which now means that rather than requiring a 50 percent
majority for passage, if a point of order is called on these portions
of the bill, a small minority of 40 percent can block further action
on that part of the funding -- something, obviously, that we believe
is a serious mistake, and our hope is that it will not influence the
outcome of this very important legislation.

While the focus of our session this afternoon is on Colombia and on
the Andean region, I want to take this occasion, because my own
responsibilities cover the broad range of the Department's interest,
to note that we consider the lack of funding for assistance programs
in Kosovo, UN peacekeeping operations, and State Department security
in diplomatic activities to be serious omissions from yesterday's
bills marked up in the Senate.

I would now like to turn the podium over to Ambassador Peter Romero,
who will speak to you about the regional context of our support for
Colombia, and after that both of us are prepared to address your
questions.

Thank you.  Pete.

ASSISTANT SECRETARY ROMERO: Thank you, Tom. What I'd like to do is to
give you a little bit of an overview as to the regional dimensions of
Plan Colombia, but also what we have pulled from our experiences in
the last couple of years and incorporated into the Plan Colombia.

What we have is unprecedented and historic reductions in coca
cultivation, in both Peru and in Bolivia, over the last couple of
years. In Peru, we have a reduction of about 66 percent of hectarage
devoted to coca cultivation in the last three years and, over the last
two years in Bolivia, approximately 52 percent.

But that's only a piece of the story. The story is that these
governments -- with our collaboration -- have learned to do a better,
more comprehensive, integrated job in getting to the root causes of
coca cultivation and combating them, through programs designed for
alternative development; micro-enterprise, the kinds of
community-based benefits where you can use the community to police the
others to ensure that there's no return to coca cultivation; local
elections; in some, kind of bootstraps-type programs that have been
highly successful in countries that have engaged in lots of coca
cultivation, particularly Bolivia and Peru where the majority of coca
was produced.

In conjunction with that, there has been significant efforts at law
enforcement to cut the air bridge in Peru, but also to engage in
filling the vacuums of government presence and law enforcement
presence in these areas. And I think, if I can leave you with anything
today, that is the key. Because in the upper Huallaga, in Peru, and
the Chapare in Bolivia, the key to success has been filling the
vacuums of an absence of government presence that existed before with
government programs and law enforcement. Finally, interdiction has
been very, very important, particularly as it relates to Peru.

All of those lessons learned are what we are attempting to do and what
we are asking the Senate to do now in its action to fully support Plan
Colombia. There is a good regional component to what the President has
submitted and what the House marked up and what the Senate passed out
of committee yesterday. But the key ingredient is to be able to reach
this area, called the Putumayo in Colombia, which is currently outside
of government reach. And it is there where it is no coincidence that
"cocalleros," or coca growers, have essentially located themselves
where there is a high guerrilla presence and where the government does
not enjoy control, particularly out of the provincial capitals.

Q: I would like to ask Mr. Pickering a question. Plan Colombia was
announced, as I recall, by President Pastrana last September. Could
you give us your assessment as to what has transpired in those seven
or eight months vis-à-vis that Plan?

UNDER SECRETARY PICKERING: Yes, I think it is useful to do that. Plan
Colombia was announced in September. By early December, we had put
together a very large package of support for two years, 2000 and 2001:
$1.6 billion, 1.3 billion in new money. Of this particular package,
slightly less than $300 million was essentially for some of the
critical questions that Pete just mentioned, which played a large role
in the success in Bolivia and Peru: alternative development;
democratic governance and its spread into the countryside; human
rights and the protection of human rights workers; judicial reform;
rule of law -- the essential underpinnings of making a society work
successfully.

The bulk of our effort -- and that has to be fitted into a
$7.5-billion program over multiple years supported by the Colombians
at the level of about $4 billion -- is to provide in many ways the
critical military equipment required to deal with the special facets
of the problem in Colombia. In the Putumayo and Caqueta Departments,
for example, the drug trade is currently protected by both the
left-wing FARC guerrilla organization, and now, increasingly, by the
right wing extremist paramilitaries. Now both of them, in fact, are
deriving enormous incomes from protecting and in fostering and,
indeed, in becoming engaged themselves in the growing, in the
laboratory treatment, in the transport and marketing, of these crops;
particularly in those regions, coca.

The sense that we have is that the level of monetary gain that this
represents for the guerrillas is now approaching between four and five
hundred million dollars a year. It makes them, in fact, extremely rich
and extremely able to re-equip, as they have, their troops with new
equipment, some of the best in the world, and to continue to spread
this malign practice.

And, therefore, just this point I think is important to make: You are
seeing, in a sense, the hollowing out of government in critical
regions of Latin America, and its replacement by individuals who are,
in fact, introducing a narco-government, a narco-small empire, if you
would like to say it that way, which in fact is increasingly
threatening the local governments as well as the United States,
through the drug trade and the military action that it supports.

And if they ever had political and economic objectives, they seem to
have faded, maybe with the end of the Cold War and the disintegration
of Marxism on the left, and probably with the very lucrative trade
that this represents for the extremists on the right.

So how do we get at those particular issues, or how do we help --
better to say it -- the government of Colombia to get at those issues?
In many cases, these people are so well armed and organized that it
requires organized military activity on the part of the Colombian
Government. And, here, the vetted battalions, those who have been
examined so that we are not supporting anybody who is engaged in human
rights violations, and special training, and the ability to move
rapidly provides the central spearhead for the recovery of those areas
that Peter talked about that was so important in Bolivia and in Peru.

Once recovered, obviously, the rest of the program can come into play.
Police can engage in eradication if, in fact, they don't have to meet
massive firepower on the other side to defend the fields and the coca
crop or the laboratories.

Secondly, alternative development can kick in. Displaced persons can
be moved to places where they can find an alternative living at a
reasonable rate with government support. New crops can be grown in the
regions, and we already have experience in the places that Peter
talked about, where those individuals we know can make an honest
living in carrying forward honest work with government help.

So this is the thesis of all of this, and this is why our aid is
spread over these various arrangements.

Final point. A big share of the Colombian Government contribution is
also not in the military area. Probably nearly a billion dollars
already committed, especially to Plan Colombia targets by the
international financial institutions, is all in the non-military area.
And we are working closely with Colombia and European governments and
Japan for a further contribution which will support, again, the
non-military portion. But I wanted you to have the balance and the
integrated relationship, and what our feeling is about the potential
for this particular approach, based on the success already achieved in
the region for producing a successful advance.

Q: I'm a little unclear as to exactly what you're going to be talking
about when you get down there, because it seems to me this may be a
little - this trip may be a bit premature. The Colombians already know
how much you want to get to give them to help them, but you don't have
it yet, and you're going down there with nothing. I mean, you're not
going down there with a check in hand because you don't have it yet.

So why now?

UNDER SECRETARY PICKERING: I think it's an excellent question, and
it's an important one. We are going down as part of a series of
discussions we've had with the Colombians, building on ideas for a
plan -- their putting together of the Plan -- which is an overall
strategy, moving on to particularly working with them as to how this
Plan can get operationalized. And particularly Pete's pointing out the
Putumayo Department, the importance of an integrated effort by the
United States in support of a fully integrated effort by Colombia to
deal with that issue. And I've pointed out how it all has to work
together is very significant

So we will be talking specifically to Colombians about this southern
portion of the plan, about how to integrate, about how to strike the
appropriate balance in areas. Are people going to have to move from
the jungle because it can't support their agriculture, or is there
good land where they can be resettled and protected by the government?
A whole series of very intricate questions in this process come up.

Also, just as in our government, our military and civilians don't sit
down every day across the board, including many of the agencies that
will be engaged in supporting this Plan. So too in Colombia;
civilians, police, and military have rarely sat down and worked
together. And one of the things we will be able to do, we believe, as
a result of our meeting in Cartagena, is to begin to get both sides
used to the fact that if there is to be success particularly in this
element of the Plan, and in others, there has to be a broad
contribution; that we have to know and they have to know what it is
their going to do with each facet, and the pieces all have to work
together.

You can't have a finely functioning watch with only one gear, as we
all know. So all the gears have to mesh, all the parts have to work
together, all the plans have to be understood by each other, and there
has to be a mutual contribution. If the police say they can't do "x,"
then we know that the alternative development can't do their piece,
and that the military can't do their piece. On the other hand, if it
can be fitted together appropriately, we know it can work, and we have
seen it work in places like Bolivia and Peru.

So this is a very important next stage. You're right. It isn't easy to
go to a country like Colombia and say, "We're sorry. The Congress
isn't ready, yet." Despite the fact when they can read the letter in
August that said the Administration is too slow, they haven't come
forward. Now we have take a careful approach to a very difficult
problem, but we're dealing with an emergency and we have speeded up
our efforts to get this whole process moving and ready.

And that, unfortunately, each day and week of delay spells higher
costs at the end of the day -- costs in human terms in our own
country, costs in human terms in Colombia, additional costs for
getting the process reversed, which we have to do, and off on the
right track: a long, hard, and difficult process. So, obviously, our
point today is planning, yes, and we will go ahead, even if, in fact,
we're not ready with the funding. It's an appropriate time to do that.
It will, in our view, provide a better basis for the use of the
funding when it is available, which we hope will be very, very soon.

Q: Sir, what are the chances of Plan Colombia succeeding without the
Blackhawks, which the Senators have knocked off the supplemental?

UNDER SECRETARY PICKERING: First and foremost, I would say this: that
I'm not here to lobby for any particular item of equipment. Our
military have examined this; our experts have examined this, and made
what they believe are the best judgments. We are grateful, obviously,
for the fact that the House has gone ahead pretty much along the lines
that we approached, and we knew that there were differences in the
House. We hope that this difference over helicopters gets worked out
in conference. There is always an opportunity.

I would like to point out, however, that one of the difficult
questions -- and, indeed, one that I highlighted in my statement -- is
pilot training. And when you calculate that a Blackhawk can carry
two-and-a-half times the number of people as the improved Huey, then
you recognize that our pilot training program is immensely complicated
by the substitution of one aircraft for another. In addition, if you
note that the Blackhawk is the choice aircraft of our own military
because it provides better armor, faster speeds, longer range and a
higher-altitude capability, which is particularly useful in getting at
the heroin which grows at high altitudes, you will understand why the
military experts told us that the Blackhawk, despite its cost, is a
much better helicopter to deal with the problems we have.

Obviously, we hope that this is worked out. Obviously, we believe that
the most efficient, the least costly to maintain and perhaps that
which can provide the greatest amount of service, will be seen by the
Congress overall as they look at this question as the right selection
to make. We stand by our initial judgments that we provided the right
mix of aircraft, and we hope that the Congress will take a careful
look and a positive look at that.

Q: Ambassador, would you say then that perhaps a push into southern
Colombia could really be weakened by a change in the Blackhawks to
Huey II's?

UNDER SECRETARY PICKERING: I would say this: I don't make those
military judgments, but I do believe that, in fact, both the delay in
time and the inability -- if I could put it this way -- to optimize
the equipment that is now available to the task, will represent a
significant handicap for the forces that have to carry forward the
effort.

Now, those forces, in my view, are very dedicated, and I believe that
they are available to do the job. I would hope that our original
judgments about what's the best required to do that, to protect their
lives, to make the job more effective and more efficient, to allow the
government forces, in fact, to have the advantage this equipment was
supposed to provide them in dealing with the increasing firepower that
is arrayed against them, will be the right choice. And I believe that
our friends in the Congress will take a careful -- I hope, sympathetic
and understanding -- view of this issue, once we have a chance further
to explain to them the detailed reasons why we think this is the best
choice.

Q: The Senate yesterday -- I mean the Committee of Appropriations not
only cut the Blackhawks, but they also proposed limits on the amount
-- the number of personnel down there, both in the military and
civilian contractors. In this situation, do you think that the
Colombians can eventually use the U.S. economic help to buy
helicopters somewhere else, and hire contractors from some other
country?

UNDER SECRETARY PICKERING: Basically, our help will be tied to
whatever conditions the House and Senate agree in conference to put on
them. We believe -- and we will work hard to defeat any conditions
that we believe make the program unworkable.

With respect to the question you asked about the limitations on the
numbers of Americans involved in this activity, we have from time to
time, responding to congressional questions said, at any one time,
there are between 80 and 250 American military present in Colombia on
training missions. And we envisage, as we looked out over the future
even in connection with this Plan, that we could do the training job,
the advising job, the support job with that level.

So we would be, obviously, not interested in artificial limits,
particularly if they really restrict what we can do. But we cannot
argue against limits which comprehend our own predictions of what is
necessary to carry forward the job. And that's the way we have
generally looked at these kinds of questions in the legislation.

Q: How long do you think this is really going to drag on on the Hill,
now that the Senate has tied the Colombian money --

UNDER SECRETARY PICKERING: I thought you were going to say how long is
the problem going to live in Colombia. I hope an awful lot shorter
than it does in Colombia. Now, of course, there is a direct
relationship between the two. My hope is --

Q: Excuse me. Now that the Senate is tying the Colombia monies to the
Kosovo -- to new conditions on the Kosovo situation.

UNDER SECRETARY PICKERING: Well, the supplemental was always conceived
of as a package. And I frankly would be happy that, at the end of the
day, the conference will produce a result which will fund all of our
needs -- Colombia, Kosovo, peacekeeping and embassy security --
because these are all, in our view, emergency requirements. One only
has to read your writings every day to understand why those are
emergencies in each case. And that if the Senate hasn't seen fit to
put the money on, we hope that the friends in the House who have put
the money on will fight hard for it in conference, and we will have a
resulting bill that we can fully support and will indeed meet the
kinds of needs that we have.

On Colombia, in fact, we are closer together on some of these
questions because there is money for Colombia in both bills, not all
that we want in the Senate bill. But we hope that, in fact, by hard
work we can arrange to convince the senators that they should, in
fact, accept the House version rather than vice versa.

Now, you said how long. I don't know, and I've learned that predicting
what's going to happen on the Hill is a very difficult art. But my
hope is, given their own sense of the emergency that they have written
us about, that they will find a way to do that, at least this month. I
would like to see it even earlier. I think any delay is costly.

Q: You spoke about the need to recover areas outside government
control, as though this - by military means -- as though this was
inevitable. What does this imply about the level of confidence and
your expectations about the peace talks between the government and the
FARC?

UNDER SECRETARY PICKERING: I think that, as I mentioned in my opening
statement, a very important part of what is going on in Colombia is
the fact that the government has opened a peace table, is pushing the
FARC very hard to move ahead with the peace process, has now achieved
an agenda of 12 items, four of which are being currently discussed. I
believe that the "No Mas" group, its manifestations in Colombia show,
with the ability to put five-to-ten million people in the streets in
favor of a peace process, and in favor of moving that rapidly ahead,
that this has gained a great deal of popularity among the people of
Colombia, well above the 3-or-4 percent which the FARC normally
enjoys. And this is the popularity of a peace process and a peaceful
conclusion.

My own view is, after carefully examining the record of the peace
process, that the commitment of our President to a very large program,
and his commitment to work that through the Congress has helped to
speed along the peace process rather than retard it, as some had
predicted. And I think that, in fact, the closer that this process
moves to turning the question around, that it is no longer a growth in
cocaine, but those who support and defend it being under increasing
pressure, both from their own people, which I think is very important,
but also from the government that we can see further progress.

And I believe that, in fact, the history of these kinds of questions,
particularly in the hemisphere, has been that when there is firmness,
determination and a willingness to accomplish its objectives on the
part of a government which is also determined on a fair peace
negotiation, that that peace negotiation can prosper.

MR. REEKER: We have run out of time. Sorry, we've already kept
Secretary Pickering beyond what we promised.

So thank you very much, gentlemen.  Thank you all for coming.

(end transcript)

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